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Re: SiteSell - Problem Paying Commissions?
Posted By: Markus Allen In Response To: Re: SiteSell - Problem Paying Commissions? (Bob E.)
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2008, at 3:29 p.m.(pst)
See replies below:
>> I read some of that thread you posted but couldn't read it all.
>> Threads like that get really old really quickly. Those threads are a dime
>> a dozen on internet marketing and related forums.I'm confused. Isn't this site called Scams 101? Isn't this THE place to post this sort of thing?
>> I. too, have been owed commissions by certain vendors and never got
>> paid. They just ignore my emails anymore and I just stopped emailing them
>> altogether because it's just not worth my time. There comes a point where
>> you have to just chalk it up as a loss and move on. If SBI owes you around
>> $0K or more, then you need to get a lawyer involved in order to get paid.
>> I hear anything under $10K and it's not worth hiring a lawyer. But it's
>> really up to you. Maybe it would be worth it to you to hire a lawyer in
>> this case even if it's under $10K they owe you so that it will alleviate a
>> lot of your own time in trying to collect the payment.I understand the cost-of-doing-business angle for you. Trust me, these scum rely on that sort of thinking so that you move on and chalk it off as a loss.
When I had cash flow problems (just after 9/11) and had more than a dozen employees, if I dared missed payday by a single day, everyone hated me (even though I paid them quite well -- revenue sharing, etc.). Now we've been EXTREMELY patient -- don't you think 3 years is enough time?
Now I'm good at this sort of thing and know how to get these deadbeats jumpin to pay what's rightfully owed. They've been ditchin' and dancin' with me by email since last year. I literally could write a book about it (in fact, there's a book on this exact topic -- called something like the "Deadbeats Guide to NOT Pay Bills"). It's absolutely jaw-dropping. And that's exactly the tactics Ken Evoy and his "accounting people" are using to avoid rightful payment.
>> Now, I have to admit, something in your first post on that thread you
>> posted makes me wonder about your own integrity. You said,>> "I've promoted over 200 affiliate programs since December of
>> 1997... and less than 10 ever paid.">> Well, if that's true then you're promoting the wrong stuff from the
>> wrong people. You're claiming that only 5% of the 200 affiliate programs
>> you have promoted since 1997 have ever paid you your commissions? I find
>> that IM and make money products not only have a higher return rate but
>> they also have a higher rate of dead beat vendors who don't pay affiliate
>> commissions. But 5%? What are you smoking, man!? Maybe you need to stay
>> away from PayDotCom.com, who is a haven for deadbeat affiliate vendors.
>> But even Paydotcom has a rate of legit vendors of more than 5%, way more
>> (but the rate of deadbeats is too high ot even bother with PDC, given it's
>> other problem, like slow servers). If you find that only 5% of affiliate
>> program vendors are legit and pay commissions owed, then I'd suggest to
>> you that perhaps the affiliate marketing business isn't for you. Run as
>> fast as you can out of that business.I used to hang out with these deadbeats. They used to swap ideas at the dinner table with me on how not to pay affiliates. We even talked about how Corey Rudl would override people's declined credit cards (there's a trick to this... you need an old-fashioned credit card swipe machine) -- causing the credit card holder to have to pay outrageous over-the-limit fees. Isn't that wonderful? What a great bunch of people, eh?
Here's a secret you probably don't know... why do you think the affiliate payment threshold is always a buck more than the first owed affiliate payment? For example, if you're offered 50% commission on a $29 ebook (which is $14.50 in commission), why do you think the minimum payment threshold is $15.00?
The answer is simple when you sit at dinner with these characters... it's because 99.9% of affiliates never make more than one sale. In fact they often make a purchase using their own affiliate tracking code.
That's why less than 5% of the affiliates we've promoted have paid... they're like insurance companies... they love to take in the money, and do everything possible not to pay out.
I literally could write a lengthy book about this... but why bother, Bob -- you'll probably just tell me I'm stirring up trouble or have an axe to grind. Plus, what in the world does this have to do with SiteSell not paying us what's owed, anyway?
Actually, I do have a bit of an axe to grind with these scum. Because it's incredibly hard to get people to register for my affiliate program because they're naturally jaded. Ken Evoy of SiteSell, in a recent interview, confessed he knows of affiliate managers with lists of 50,000 affiliates, yet less than 50 are actively promoting. Why do you think that is?
I understand the average payout in the MLM/Network Marketing business is less just under $7 -- and that's for life (not per month or per week).
>> Anyways, if you are in fact owed money by SBI, I do hope you get it
>> back, but please stop making outrageous claims like the one I just pointed
>> out. Everyone knows that if a person has such a bad experience with
>> finding legit affiliate vendors as you claim to have, said person would
>> not've stayed in the affiliate marketing business for as long as you have
>> (10+ years).Bob, I'd be happy to display the emails here showing SiteSell admits to what they owed us.
By the way, the "gurus" are locking their forums about this... Harvey Segal just locked it up here:
http://clickbanksuccessforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7573Remember, these guys eat dinner together and meet in bars together. It's a club most never know exists. I ate with most of these scum. I even ate dinner with the king of spam one time -- remember "Spamford?" Johnathan Mizel even scolded me one time for daring to "out" one of them -- I'm telling you, it's like the Mafia. It's so psychopathic... do anything to climb to the top.
I say this stuff not to brag, but to give weight to what I've witnessed first hand. And my big mouth has gotten me blacklisted in multiple ways -- my speaking engagement dried up just shortly after my not-so-great review of Stephen Pierce surfaced in my newsletter.
At the same time, if you'd like me to drop this (and not help others)... just say the word, and you got it.
Where's the outrage, Bob?
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