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FIB - Scams 101
Re: An open Challenge to the United First Financial
Posted By: Scott In Response To: An open Challenge to the United First Financial (Calvin)
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, at 2:13 p.m.(pst)
Mr. Bob
I am a United First Financial agent, it took me a long time to actually buy the program and to become an agent because like yourself, when I first started hearing about priceless algorithms, I was t
urned off. I think that UFF agents hurt themselves and the product by using terms like this. I have done all the math and it is true that if you send every last dime you have left over each month to your mortgage you will come out slightly ahead of the MMA program. This sounds great in a perfect world but everyone that I know would never do this. One you would never have any money if you needed it. The only way to get it would be to refinance and pull the money back out. If the reason you needed the money is because someone lost a job or got sick. You would not be able to qualify for an equity loan even though it's really your money. This program allows people to achieve virtually the same results without this risk. Also it gives people a real time view at the true cost of everything they spend. Which naturally makes people think of spending in different terms. I am aware that you could do something similar on your own. But when you look at closing cost and the amount of interest people pay on mortgages 3500 for a program that I am sure you will agree will more than pay for itself. You should make mortage companys your target. This program is a good thing and has made huge differences in a lot of peoples lives.
>> I posted this as a reply buried in one of the threads to
>> "Sue," who so adamantly believes that United First Financial's
>> Money Merge Account product is a powerful mortgage accelerator tool. I
>> thought I would openly extend this to any UFF agent who doesn't believe it
>> is merely a glorified prepayment plan hidden in a HELOC float game that
>> anyone can beat with absolute minimal effort....>> I am one of those critics of the UFF scam-ware. I've argued against it
>> on a few finance forums, and I will extend the same challenge to you that
>> we've extended to EVERY salesperson out there... let's play
>> "monopoly." Let's simulate this out in the open for everyone to
>> see. We'll each have the same job, same income, same mortgage amount and
>> terms, same bills, same due dates. I'll use the financial tools at my
>> disposal, namely my brain, my checking account (warning: 6.01%, but heck,
>> I'll play with 5%), and my billpay system. I WILL NOT USE A HELOC. You can
>> use your HELOC (or ALOC or whatever you want to call it) and your fancy
>> schmancy UFF program. We post our money movements for the months on this
>> message board, and double check each other's math (which always seems to
>> be needed with UFF salespeople). The only math needed is non-complicated
>> interest calculations, so no software algorithms are exposed. Only rule I
>> extend to you is that your HELOC must function as actual HELOCs function
>> in the real world (read: interest based on average daily balance), and
>> your rates must be typical of todays rates (HELOC rate > mortgage rate
>> by about 1-2%). I'll even let you FIX the HELOC rate, despite them being
>> variable in the real world.>> At the end, we'll see who pays off their mortgage faster. I contend I
>> can beat the UFF hands down without complicated algorithms or intermediate
>> loans (the HELOC). Care to put your reputation where your mouth is and
>> prove once and for all the true power of the MMA? I'm guessing no, for the
>> same reason no other salesman takes it. Why? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK AS
>> WELL AS YOU CLAIM AND YOU KNOW IT. This won't take much time at all.>> Any takers?
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