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Drinking the Herbalife Kool-aid

Posted By: Bill, the Roadie
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, at 10:50 a.m.(pst)

In Response To: Re: Crazy Like A Fox - Is this a SCAM? (TonyO)

>> Its funny how everyone in here is on the same page.

I think you've broken the code. This is not an Herbalife or MLM rah-rah site. If you're looking for ratification, this isn't the place. Far from it.

>> I became a
>> distributor recently and through all the hate, speculation, lawsuit
>> descriptions, etc I still believe in this company because I know I'm going
>> to have to work my butt off to sell the product.

OK. Just don't nail any "Diet Magic" yellow signs to 100 telephone poles in my neighborhood like the desperate Herbalifers did in the 90's and we'll get along just fine.

>> In the end Herbalife is a
>> real company with real products.

Sure they are. So was Enron. Doesn't mean they're offering good products sold honestly for a fair price. Some people (the happy customers) do. Some don't.

>> Who cares if they're somewhat deceptive
>> in their advertising.

It's a clue to the honesty of the distributors that they have to resort to trickery and concealment to get past people's initial REVULSION. Like Amway.

>> Would you participate right away if you were told
>> the 100% bare bones and ins and outs? No that would reveal too much they
>> have to bait you little by little that's how they weed out the serious
>> people from those who want to "get rich quick" because in all
>> the marketing they never tell you its get rich quick because its not.

Baiting little by little? That's so condescending it's insulting to anyone with intelligence.

>> In all their materials even beyond the DVD they tell you results are
>> not typical. They bring you down to earth and tell you that you're only
>> going to make as much as you put into it. There is no such thing as get
>> rich quick but if you're a typical hard worker then you will make money.

Do they disclose fully what percentage of new participants make how much money? I thought not.

>> ...the mentor makes comission off your sales which is where
>> the MLM part comes in so if you sign enough distributors under you you'll
>> make money along with the retail sales of the product so its a win win win
>> situation for everyone.

Except the ultimate customer, who has overpaid for the product to fund the multiple levels of parasites who are trying to live off their "cut" at levels where they add no value. Except for recruiting more and more newbies like you to the lowest level of the pyramid, only to find out there is almost NO reasonable amount of work that can duplicate the success stories of the earlier participants who are paying for the TV ads to recruit more newbies to fleece.

The easiest proof that it's a pyramid is that focus on recruiting instead of selling the product. The TV ads should just SELL THE PRODUCTS instead of signing up more distributors. That is, if the ads were honest and above board.

But sadly, they aren't. And that's a clue that the rest of us notice.

Come back in six months and report your RESULTS, not your aspirations, and your postings will be given a little more weight. As they are, they're simply repetitive breathless hype. Been there, seen it a thousand times, got the t-shirt.

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