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Re: home business question - Amended - Not an illegal pyramid scheme

Posted By: Dennis Bevers
Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, at 5:46 p.m.(pst)

In Response To: Re: home business question - Amended - Not an illegal pyramid scheme (Amy)

>> ok, i understand there are rules on posting and promoting. this person
>> was asking about home-businesses. i took that as an invitation that they
>> wanted some ideas about different ones they. dennis put up his biz and
>> mentioned pampered chef and tupperware. i could care less that my link was
>> nuked. but why is it ok for some and not others?

Hello Amy,

Dennis here to answer your question. Yes the rules apply differently to regulars compared to lurkers and drive-by posters who aren't known to the mods.

No one gets to post here and do hard sale advertisements for their opportunity or website and include the link in the body. The link must be posted in the appropriate place at the bottom.

When a post is all about promoting your company or opportunity, adding the link at the bottom is prohibited, as spelled out in the "Rules for Posting". Most forum sites have rules or "TOS" (Terms of Service) that posters must follow or subject their post to being edited or deleted.

My post was a reply, giving information about many options, and explaining that some MLM companies focus on selling products to end users, while others put much more emphasis on recruiting and building downlines. I mentioned Pampered Chef and Tupperware as examples of companies who have focused on selling their product far more than on recruiting. (I know that may not be the case for some Pampered Chef or Tupperware reps, but they are individuals.)

i realize some people
>> have been here forever and are frequent posters. i have been a lurker for
>> awhile. when you get down to it, kaeser and blair is an mlm.

Sorry, but Kaeser & Blair is not Multi-Level Marketing. I do sponsor other dealers, and receive override compensation based on their sales, but their is no downline of 2 to infinity of further recruits that I receive compensation on. Strictly on my personal recruits who I offer support and assistance. One layer of sales and one layer of sponsoring do not add up to Multi-level.

whether mr.
>> dennis is personally recruiting people or they just are interested and
>> sign up, he makes downline commissions. he may very well make a living on
>> his own sales, but there is commissions and overides on people who have
>> signed up under him.

Exactly, commissions on my $250K average annual sales, plus override compensation on those who I personally sponsor. If they sponsor someone, they receive the override compensation, and I get nothing. It's not MLM.

it is like that in any mlm, you can make a decent
>> living at ANY of them on sales alone, but if you get other people you make
>> MORE. i realize that a lot of people on this board dont like mlm, thats
>> fine, but just because it is not for you, why should you bash it. it might
>> be for someone else.

So citing the FTC's 93% or greater failure rate for all MLM's is bashing? Sounds like politicians who complain when any quotes their voting record.

>> i agree that people need to check into all opportunities, that is
>> common sense. but to tell someone to totally rule it out because it is mlm
>> is not fair. maybe they have the drive to succeed. you arent the judge

I think I pointed out that for most people in MLM (those in the 3 to 7% who didn't fail), the success (money) comes from recruiting others, who you train to recruit others, ad nauseum. Those who make good income in MLM fall into two camps -

Those who are professional recruiters, and those who are selling products where the product is the focus, i.e., Tupperware, Pampered Chef, etc.

>> ok i am done now. this will probably get nuked, but i dont care. but
>> the threads should be fair to all.

Not nuked, just answered point by point.

Here's a list of helpful criteria to use for evaluating any bizopp your may be considering.

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