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YAWN....

Posted By: Sandi Bowman
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 3:28 p.m.(pst)

In Response To: Re: TRY THINKING... (mskeisha)

There was no insult in my post. If you took it that way then you are unaware that an ass is what Jesus rode...and a proper name for some members of the equine species.

I really don't give a tinker's damn about this whole thing and certainly not enough to waste more time on it.

You can be as 'kind and forgiving' as you wish. I have no wish to. Good-bye.

Sandi Bowman

>> Sandi,

>> You don't know if you helped me or not. Again, it's a 50/50 gamble,
>> you have no idea what my thought processes are, the questions I ask,
>> etc....but if your response is to add 'insult' to get your point across
>> there is no further point in having further discussions with you, I'm not
>> here to do the 'you're stupid, I'm smart' thing. We can discuss without
>> all of that.
>> I say to you, call the owner himself, the number is readily available
>> in 'Contact Me'. Obviously there is an interest there (even if
>> unfavorable)or you wouldn't be posting about this particular thing. Get
>> your questions answered. That simple, and even if you still disagree no
>> skin off anyone's back. It's not for everyone.
>> I'm agreeing to disagree, we will see what happens! Have a GREAT day
>> Sandi!!
>> I'd like to end with:

>> "A man doesn't know what he knows until he knows what he DOESN'T
>> know." Laurence J Peter

>> >> You can lead a horse (or an ass) to a waterhole but you can't
>> make
>> >> them drink. A mind set in concrete can't think. Enough
>> said...I tried.
>> >> Didn't help you but it might help others.

>> >> Sandi Bowman

>> >> >> Your second sentence is a assumption of what I do
>> and don't
>> >> know about
>> >> >> 'renters'. I have over 8 yrs insurance experience in
>> >> homeowners claims and
>> >> >> I know from a totally different standpoint about
>> foreclosers
>> >> and some of
>> >> >> the crazy fools creating that mess.
>> >> >> I have many real estate friends, some of which are
>> becoming
>> >> area
>> >> >> operators - whose job is to help manage the sitters
>> and spot
>> >> check the
>> >> >> homes. They agree with the concept.
>> >> >> There is a RISK NO MATTER WHAT field we discuss.
>> >> >> You don't even know WHAT these Sitters will and
>> won't
>> >> do...and no one
>> >> >> said this thing will be just 100% peachy keen and we
>> all skip
>> >> in a field
>> >> >> of flowers together saving the world. LOL

>> >> >> Another place you are wrong is the whole point of
>> the
>> >> Sitters. The
>> >> >> homes that will be occupied will not be homes that
>> are
>> >> damaged. They will
>> >> >> not have been vandalized. These are homes that are
>> empty and
>> >> in GREAT
>> >> >> condition BEFORE they even have a chance to be as
>> bad
>> >> conditions of CLAIMS
>> >> >> that I have received on many foreclosures. The only
>> purpose
>> >> of the Sitter
>> >> >> is to maintain the place and make it show room
>> ready. Also
>> >> their expenses
>> >> >> may be lowered b/c they will only be paying $300
>> +utilities,
>> >> no matter how
>> >> >> much the cost of the home.

>> >> >> You don't have to like the concept. We can agree to
>> disagree,
>> >> but one
>> >> >> thing Fabulous Sitters ISN'T is a scam. This
>> discussion
>> >> belongs somewhere
>> >> >> on a real estate industry forum.

>> >> >> The reality of human nature...well if we used that
>> theory for
>> >> >> EVERYTHING (since you can't use that for just THIS)
>> >> EVERYTHING is a risk.
>> >> >> 100,000s of people join businesses daily, they all
>> don't
>> >> succeed, but many
>> >> >> do. Many people get jobs...some don't do the work
>> and get
>> >> fired, many stay
>> >> >> for years. Many go to school, some fail some
>> graduate with
>> >> honors, people
>> >> >> buy cars, some go to ish and some last a lifetime,
>> if you
>> >> used that theory
>> >> >> then NO ONE SHOULD DO ANYTHING PERIOD BUT DIE since
>> that is
>> >> the only thing
>> >> >> that IS guaranteed.

>> >> >> I think it's pretty premature to even say anyone has
>> >> 'blinders', or
>> >> >> rosed color glasses b/c they see an opportunity that
>> YOU
>> >> don't see. It
>> >> >> hasn't even officially launched yet. Right now it's
>> all it
>> >> is, an
>> >> >> opportunity. I'm sure 99% of people in successful
>> businesses
>> >> heard someone
>> >> >> tell them they couldn't do it or it would fail or it
>> was a
>> >> scam...

>> >> >> There is NOTHING wrong with seeing and understanding
>> a
>> >> concept. Some
>> >> >> will, some won't, some wait, NEXT! I respect
>> anyone's
>> >> decision on what
>> >> >> they decide to do, whether or not it is 'for me' or
>> not. Any
>> >> smart person
>> >> >> WOULD do their due diligence, make sure they
>> understand that
>> >> it is a risk,
>> >> >> ALWAYS keep a thinking cap on at ALL times, continue
>> to ask
>> >> questions, let
>> >> >> an attorney see the contract (which we did, thank
>> you), think
>> >> ahead...

>> >> >> You made an excellent point too about the background
>> check,
>> >> it's not a
>> >> >> guarantee that they will 'be good' or whatever...but
>> they
>> >> take a risk and
>> >> >> move on. Sandy, I don't know what you do but if you
>> are an
>> >> EMPLOYEE did
>> >> >> your boss hire you b/c you have a charming smile?
>> They don't
>> >> know if you
>> >> >> would come into to work doing what YOU do. If you
>> are your
>> >> OWN boss, I'm
>> >> >> sure if you hired people you DEFINITELY wouldn't
>> just hire
>> >> someone based
>> >> >> on how articulate they sounded and b/c they dressed
>> nice,
>> >> RIGHT??

>> >> >> Fabulous Sitters will never be for EVERYBODY, just
>> like
>> >> everything
>> >> >> else.

>> >> >> >> Okay, the 'blinders' are off...now put your
>> THINKING
>> >> CAP
>> >> >> on...

>> >> >> >> Obviously you have no experience with
>> 'renters' or
>> >> 'rent to
>> >> >> own'
>> >> >> >> folks. I have, and I can tell you that an
>> awful lot
>> >> of them
>> >> >> don't give a
>> >> >> >> tinkers damn about the contracts or
>> agreements they
>> >> >> sign...they just want
>> >> >> >> a place to hang their hat. That also means
>> that an
>> >> awful lot
>> >> >> of them will
>> >> >> >> trash the place they've been granted use of
>> to one
>> >> degree or
>> >> >> another.
>> >> >> >> Until the company pays out your stated sums
>> (which
>> >> still will
>> >> >> not begin to
>> >> >> >> cover the actual costs the renters pay to
>> move and
>> >> re-settle)
>> >> >> and has to
>> >> >> >> repair and fix up more than a few of the
>> houses,
>> >> there'll be
>> >> >> no money and
>> >> >> >> no real benefit in it. It's a sucker bet
>> all the way
>> >> >> around...and very
>> >> >> >> much a pipe dream. Nice if it worked but
>> consider
>> >> the reality
>> >> >> of human
>> >> >> >> nature and you'll see the reality if you
>> take the
>> >> rose
>> >> >> colored glasses
>> >> >> >> off.

>> >> >> >> If you think 'doing the research' on every
>> potential
>> >> >> candidate is
>> >> >> >> easy, think again. Even in this day of
>> minimal
>> >> privacy,
>> >> >> you'll get
>> >> >> >> good-sounding replies because folks are
>> afraid of
>> >> getting
>> >> >> sued if they
>> >> >> >> state the truth about a person and their
>> habits.
>> >> Background
>> >> >> checks are
>> >> >> >> just that...background...not a guarantee of
>> what
>> >> will happen
>> >> >> the next time
>> >> >> >> around. People are not a static object that
>> you can
>> >> analyze,
>> >> >> decide, and
>> >> >> >> set aside. They can be great tenants one
>> minute and
>> >> real
>> >> >> something else's
>> >> >> >> the next...a change of circumstances (job
>> loss,
>> >> marital
>> >> >> problems, etc) and
>> >> >> >> doors get slammed off their hinges, walls
>> wear
>> >> spaghetti and
>> >> >> carpets get
>> >> >> >> burned with cigarettes or even a long log
>> left
>> >> partly in the
>> >> >> fireplace and
>> >> >> >> burning (happened via my former next door
>> neighbor
>> >> one time).
>> >> >> If you fail
>> >> >> >> to factor in human nature, you're just
>> fooling
>> >> yourself.

>> >> >> >> Sandi Bowman

>> >> >> >> >> >> GH, I think you might
>> want to take
>> >> the
>> >> >> blinders off
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> really hear
>> >> >> >> >> >> what's being said.
>> Typical scam
>> >> talk...just
>> >> >> talk, no
>> >> >> >> >> specifics as to how
>> >> >> >> >> >> it will put people NOT
>> RENTERS
>> >> into vacant
>> >> >> homes
>> >> >> >> "and
>> >> >> >> >> stimulate the
>> >> >> >> >> >> economy, housing market,
>> and
>> >> provide
>> >> >> jobs."
>> >> >> >> It's just a
>> >> >> >> >> pipe dream
>> >> >> >> >> >> full of wishes and
>> good-sounding
>> >> catch
>> >> >> phrases to
>> >> >> >> snare the
>> >> >> >> >> unwary.

>> >> >> >> >> >> It is what you want to
>> believe and
>> >> risk.
>> >> >> >> Uh-huh...some truth
>> >> >> >> >> at last!

>> >> >> >> >> >> Who among us wouldn't
>> like to see
>> >> people
>> >> >> employed
>> >> >> >> and in
>> >> >> >> >> affordable
>> >> >> >> >> >> homes? Who wouldn't like
>> to stop
>> >> vandalism
>> >> >> of vacant
>> >> >> >> homes
>> >> >> >> >> and help
>> >> >> >> >> >> stimulate 'the housing
>> crisis'???.
>> >> Most
>> >> >> people will
>> >> >> >> assume he
>> >> >> >> >> means
>> >> >> >> >> >> economy, not housing
>> crisis.

>> >> >> >> >> >> No where does it indicate
>> HOW this
>> >> scheme
>> >> >> would do
>> >> >> >> any of the
>> >> >> >> >> good
>> >> >> >> >> >> things mentioned above.
>> If you
>> >> want to blow
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> hundred bucks
>> >> >> >> >> on a bunch of
>> >> >> >> >> >> hot air, be my guest but
>> don't
>> >> look in this
>> >> >> corner
>> >> >> >> for the
>> >> >> >> >> next patsy.

>> >> >> >> >> >> Sandi Bowman

>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I too could not
>> find any
>> >> concrete
>> >> >> >> information about
>> >> >> >> >> >> Fabuloussitters.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> So I called Bob
>> Ells and
>> >> he
>> >> >> explained his
>> >> >> >> movation.
>> >> >> >> >> It is to
>> >> >> >> >> >> put people
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "not
>> renters"
>> >> into
>> >> >> vacant
>> >> >> >> foreclosed homes
>> >> >> >> >> to help
>> >> >> >> >> >> stimulate the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> housing
>> marketand to
>> >> create jobs.
>> >> >> I think
>> >> >> >> it is a
>> >> >> >> >> good idea.
>> >> >> >> >> >> This is a NEW
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> concept, so not
>> much
>> >> information
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> available. This
>> >> >> >> >> program
>> >> >> >> >> >> is in the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> infant stages
>> and will
>> >> launch in
>> >> >> March
>> >> >> >> 2010. I don't
>> >> >> >> >> think
>> >> >> >> >> >> $100 is too
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> much money to
>> start your
>> >> >> franchise, to help
>> >> >> >> >> stimulste the
>> >> >> >> >> >> workforce and to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> help people get
>> temporary
>> >> housing.
>> >> >> I am
>> >> >> >> sure people
>> >> >> >> >> said the
>> >> >> >> >> >> same thing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> about other
>> businesses
>> >> like
>> >> >> google,
>> >> >> >> McDonalds and
>> >> >> >> >> Amyway. Bob
>> >> >> >> >> >> does tell
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> you that he is
>> getting
>> >> his ducks
>> >> >> in a row,
>> >> >> >> so when
>> >> >> >> >> or if this
>> >> >> >> >> >> idea of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Fabulous Sitters
>> becomes
>> >> real or
>> >> >> if it
>> >> >> >> doesn't the
>> >> >> >> >> risk is on
>> >> >> >> >> >> you. Now the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> question is,
>> "is it
>> >> a
>> >> >> scam", who
>> >> >> >> knows? Is
>> >> >> >> >> he just
>> >> >> >> >> >> another
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Madoff, or is he
>> another
>> >> Bill
>> >> >> Gates? It is
>> >> >> >> what you
>> >> >> >> >> want to
>> >> >> >> >> >> believe and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> risk. I like the
>> idea, I
>> >> want to
>> >> >> see people
>> >> >> >> >> employed, I want
>> >> >> >> >> >> to see people
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> in affordable
>> homes, I
>> >> want to
>> >> >> stop the
>> >> >> >> vandalism of
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> vacant foreclosed
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> homes and to
>> help
>> >> stimulate this
>> >> >> housing
>> >> >> >> crisis.
>> >> >> >> >> What other
>> >> >> >> >> >> ideas are out
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> there? What are
>> you doing
>> >> to help?

>> >> >> >> >> I'd have to second the motion that
>> this is
>> >> a GENIOUS
>> >> >> >> idea...it is
>> >> >> >> >> doing a lot of different things:
>> It is
>> >> helping homes
>> >> >> sell b/c
>> >> >> >> they are
>> >> >> >> >> 'showroom' ready by the people
>> occupying
>> >> the homes.
>> >> >> It is
>> >> >> >> helping banks
>> >> >> >> >> sell the homes faster, it is
>> helping the
>> >> 'fabulous
>> >> >> sitter'
>> >> >> >> save money from
>> >> >> >> >> other rent/mortgage they were
>> making, it
>> >> will keep
>> >> >> the value
>> >> >> >> of the home
>> >> >> >> >> up, it will decrease vandalism, it
>> is
>> >> helping the
>> >> >> >> neighborhoods, it will
>> >> >> >> >> help people with their financial
>> crisis,
>> >> >> >> >> People need to get on the phone. I
>> called
>> >> Bob and my
>> >> >> friend
>> >> >> >> called him
>> >> >> >> >> SEVERAL times, and he was readily
>> >> accessible. They
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> offices in AZ and
>> >> >> >> >> in DC.
>> >> >> >> >> For those who DID NOT do the
>> research, the
>> >> minimum
>> >> >> stay is
>> >> >> >> 90days. If
>> >> >> >> >> the house sells the sitter is paid
>> $1000
>> >> for
>> >> >> relocation for
>> >> >> >> their next
>> >> >> >> >> assignment or moving on. The
>> sitter also
>> >> has first
>> >> >> rights to
>> >> >> >> refusal of
>> >> >> >> >> the home. If they do buy the home
>> they are
>> >> paid
>> >> >> $2500 credit
>> >> >> >> towards
>> >> >> >> >> purchase of the home.

>> >> >> >> >> Then there are the Area Operators
>> that are
>> >> assigned
>> >> >> a zip
>> >> >> >> code with
>> >> >> >> >> the foreclosures. They meet with
>> the
>> >> Sitters before
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> occupy the house.
>> >> >> >> >> Also know that the Sitters that
>> come into
>> >> the
>> >> >> program are
>> >> >> >> COMPLETELY
>> >> >> >> >> voluntary/opted in. They agree
>> with the
>> >> concept.
>> >> >> They have
>> >> >> >> passed a
>> >> >> >> >> background check, criminal
>> background
>> >> check,
>> >> >> references are
>> >> >> >> verified and
>> >> >> >> >> they have to have a JOB.

>> >> >> >> >> Did you all know that there are
>> ONE BILLION
>> >> >> squatters in this
>> >> >> >> world?
>> >> >> >> >> (Google squatters). This is where
>> the
>> >> concept came.

>> >> >> >> >> I'm all aboard in this, I just
>> know that
>> >> there will
>> >> >> also be
>> >> >> >> >> 'scam-happy' people that won't
>> 'see it' if
>> >> it
>> >> >> smacked em in
>> >> >> >> the forehead.
>> >> >> >> >> ;o) This could very well be a HUGE
>> HUGE
>> >> thing b/c of
>> >> >> all of
>> >> >> >> the benefits
>> >> >> >> >> behind this concept. I like it!

>> >> >> >> >> Talk to Bob. The # is readily
>> available on
>> >> the main
>> >> >> site. You
>> >> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> >> hear his passion on how he is
>> about the
>> >> PEOPLE.

Messages In This Thread

• Fabulous Sitters - For Real?
  Donna -- Wednesday, November 11, 2009, at 8:02 p.m.(pst)
  • Re: Fabulous Sitters - For Real?
    jimg -- Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 4:41 a.m.(pst)
    • Re: Fabulous Sitters - For Real?
      Sandi Moses -- Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 6:29 a.m.(pst)
      • Maybe It's their way of
        jimg -- Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 11:03 a.m.(pst)
        • Re: Maybe It's their way of
          Sandi Bowman -- Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 11:23 a.m.(pst)
          • Re: Maybe It's their way of
            Sandi Moses -- Friday, November 13, 2009, at 1:37 p.m.(pst)
            • By Golly, this may have the makings of...
              jimg -- Friday, November 13, 2009, at 6:01 p.m.(pst)
              • Re: By Golly, this may have the makings of...
                Donna -- Monday, November 16, 2009, at 8:49 p.m.(pst)
                • Re: By Golly, this may have the makings of...
                  JP -- Thursday, December 17, 2009, at 2:25 p.m.(pst)
                  • Re: By Golly, this may have the makings of...
                    GH -- Sunday, December 27, 2009, at 1:37 p.m.(pst)
                    • Re: By Golly, this may have the makings of...
                      Sandi Bowman -- Sunday, December 27, 2009, at 2:06 p.m.(pst)
                      • Oh boy...do your research!
                        mskeisha -- Friday, January 1, 2010, at 5:25 p.m.(pst)
                        • TRY THINKING...
                          Sandi Bowman -- Friday, January 1, 2010, at 9:22 p.m.(pst)
                          • Re: TRY THINKING...
                            mskeisha -- Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 6:46 a.m.(pst)
                            • Re: TRY THINKING...
                              Sandi Bowman -- Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 10:03 a.m.(pst)
                              • Re: TRY THINKING...
                                mskeisha -- Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 1:06 p.m.(pst)
                                • YAWN....
                                  Sandi Bowman -- Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 3:28 p.m.(pst)
                            • Re: TRY THINKING...
                              jimg -- Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 12:34 p.m.(pst)
                              • Re: TRY THINKING...
                                mskeisha -- Saturday, January 2, 2010, at 12:46 p.m.(pst)
  • Re: Fabulous Sitters - For Real?
    Alex F. -- Saturday, November 14, 2009, at 11:58 p.m.(pst)

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